the Elder gods should be top of their tier. This was the same time the first Secret Wars wherein Beyonder first. Seriously, Nyarlathotep has done more than all the others listed and Demonbane pimpslapped her. Basically, I am perfectly fine with rating pre-retcon Beyonder as likely 1-A, as Oblivion had already been established at the time, but if Marvel establishes a new character that. Yujiro teaches the Beyond how to love, so I guess they both win. Rune King Thor can't beat Omnipotential beings such as The Beyonders and Cosmic Cubes. New comments cannot be posted. Inbetweener. True Darkseid might actually have a chance though. which. Besides Pre-Retcon Beyonder, TOAA and Pre-Retcon Molecule Man, no one in Earth-616 is more powerful than LT. -. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . More than just high1-b, only this support for low 1-a. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is. Edit: Looking at the respect threads PR Beyonder actually seems a lot more impressive, and it seems my point regarding Lucifer being half the Presence was wrong. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. Living Tribunal is beyond Eternity, and Pre-Retcon Beyonder was more powerful than LT. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. Alien X (Ben 10) vs pre retcon Beyonder. perpetua slams but shinra one taps both because he’s tier -1 and transcends all. Open comment sort options Best; Top; New. No BFRs and the battle takes place in the forge of creation. Even if it wasn't I'm pretty sure this wasn't added due to being a stomp. i wanted to do this match but their was also too big of a tier gap, but now it can happen both 1-A obviouslyYujiro copies The Beyonder's abilities but then says he won't need them to defeat him before showing The Beyonder the woman in him. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. Your right about Oblivion shockingly. 12984. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is a nigh omnipotent high tier multiversal reality warper there is no way in hell Anti-Spiral or even Simon could win against someone on that level of power. When ranking the strength of characters the natural thing to go by first is physics. Reece became a lowly laboratory technician working at a nuclear plant owned by the Acme Atomics. There's a reason why the word "retcon" is used; pre-retcon Beyonder doesn't exist anymore. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. Bait? 1 year ago. ) Pre-recton Beyonder, was the sum of everything. 3 + (STR*0. Presence isn't all that impressive either, but enough to. Beyonder trivially. . Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. So as we know, Phoenix Force is an extremely powerful entity in Marvel. Its not like the writer of marvel has dominon only over character. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. This is shown many times throughout Secret Wars 2. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. As in you're taking the story at face value. Lucifer Morningstar in character could probally beat him. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. 8 years ago. CryptoCurrent MM isn't that strong in comparison to a high-tier reality warper. Creaturemaster971. However, Post-Retcon is going down, hard. #5. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. Share Sort by: Best. "The Beyond" was quintillions of times more massive than the Marvel Universe. He would also be the main villain in. M. I really can't be asked to go. 2. What Makes marvel only H1B while DC is Layers into Tier 0? Does DC truly scale higher than Marvel, is it the other way around or are they practically equal?. "For the. Nov 5, 2017. Who will win in a fight between Beyonder and The Presence? Menu. Planetary. Even an Taiyoku level of One is easily Outerversal level. ProfessorRespect. All of Thanos’ feats are fodder tier in comparison to him. And the Beyonder and the Molecule Man are in fact, two halves of one such Cosmic Cube. Not even remotely close. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. 1 Answer. Thirdeev. -All the fundamental force of the multiverse (including Oblivion, Living Tribunal, Death, Eternity) kneeling in font of Stranger when he sought to use the power of the Phoenix Force to recreate 'all that is' and make himself 'all powerful'. than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. With that said, some random guy asked Tom Brevoort on Pre-retcon Beyonder being an omnipotent, and this is what he had to say. The same exact way Presence is the Supreme Being of the DC Multiverse. Matter of fact she doesn’t even beat Mister Mxyztplk. -5. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. I am allowing characters who only appeared once and characters that aren't part of the main Canon. Which then would put the DC team a few steps below the over-void - DC's prime meta. Trying to apply that to the Beyonder is meaningless, he may as well embody all of them considering his origin. Wiki Points. You do realize Pre-Retcon Beyonder is like, the second or third most powerful comic book character ever, while Anti-Monitor wouldn't even be in the Top 10. PR Beyonder > Celestials > Phoenix Force. He may have to resort to starving. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being of his Multiverse. #31. both use 1B rating Both team have 10 Years of prep bloodlusted. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on. The Beyonder(Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Especially Yujiro's penis. Molecule Man has fought Pre-Retcon Beyonder (who is more powerful than Dr. So I might be missing something. The molecule man destroys the machine and sends the enormous energies of the Beyonder into his beyond-realm forming a big bang and creating a new universe in the process - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, Scan 4 and Scan 5. Summary. 7 K than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. There is no way to square all of. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. Divine mystical enhancements granting near omnipotent abilities. While thinking the Beyonder accidentally destroys the Omniverse. With this skill (plot manipulation), still can affect Pr beyonder. 664*10^25. Again, I don’t kno Fu, but if he’s Hyperversal as ur sayin, or even higher, then he’d def beat Post-retcon. Wiki Points. u/nullfather can attest to that. When Molecule Man faced The Sentry, he was in his unrestrained normal-self as he showed himself able to use his powers in new ways as he got rid of all his negative beliefs on his abilities (the Dark Reign Files are a. unlimited power to manipulate matter and energy; invulnerable. But basically Dr. Attack Potency= Atleast Universal+ (killed countless cosmic beings from countless realities) | Atleast Hyperversal (3 of them was enough to kill The Living Tribunal and their battle with him raged across all realities at the same time) | High Hyperversal (The Beyonder from the secret wars (that would mean that the version of. The One Above All/Pre retcon Beyonder (both characters were created by legendary comic book writers Jack Kirby and Jim Shooter, Beyonder and OAA are avatars of these two comic book writers. @Prince CortSether said: Assuming PR Beyonder in this thread stands for Pre-retcon like it usually does. Tier= Universal+ | Creation. Omnipotent, Beyonder organized an event called Secret Wars, in which he kidnapped the most important superheroes and supervillains in the Marvel universe, for a confrontation between them on a distant planet. Sorted by: 9. That one time Phoenix Force making Pre Retcon Beyonder struggle: is this a testament to her power? Scan in question. PRB has a lot of showings that would suggest otherwise. 12984. They’re 50 tonners at most. Abraxas, the personification of the destruction of the multiverse, is likely somewhere around here, although since he only. Originally posted by the DarkoneThe brothers are the most powerfull in there Multiverse. Bonus round : pre retcon beyonder vs Rimuru. He first appeared in the 1984 limited series "Secret Wars" and was created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck. " -Robin Williams (Dead Poets Society) ~Member Since: 09/25/2009~. That being said, Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the HIGHEST tier character Marvel ever had. Well even pre retcon beyonder. Origin: Marvel. 4 years ago. Can he beat them?Magi and Saint seiya can take down the post retcon versions but not pre retcon. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. ago No. 1. Pre-Retcon Beyonder wrecks. #36. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. Post retcon would be a closer fight. This will be Pre-Retcon beyonder against John egbert with his Retcon powers Speed is equalized (Not that it matters cause both these boys are in the Immesruables) The Father : The So:. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. 0. Skyfather. deactivated-621c40d36c53f. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Beyonder is marvel. It should however be noted that sometimes having overall destructive capacity is not enough to defeat others that have "broken" or "hax" abilities. we dont really see him at that tier because of how much good servants are at controlling collateral damage. It’s not. He is only nigh-omnipotent, nigh-omniescent, and nigh-omnipresent. But that doesn't mean Perpetua's feats are bad. ^2 + DUR^1. He can´t beat Lucifer. Beyonder Boy ("Incomplete Cosmic Cube"): Single Mother of Three (Perpetua): Noneless21 He/Him 7,323 4,911. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). 2 years ago. Although, if you forced me to choose one, i'd say Beyonder is a little above Molecule Man. 5 years ago. They live here, and decided to fuck shit up. 11,059. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). A Beyonder easily ripping off Thor's arm. @zxzcczzcxz said: Fodder comic verse that lose to barely street tier verse and can't beat Warframe and Destiny vs high. Nothing more. The Tree of Knowledge alone contains infinite multiverses and aleph infinities and The Scarlet King could effortlessly destroy it. Even LT feared him and begged him not to do everything he did. Pre retcon Beyonder is probably the closest you'd get, I'd say Lucifer could even beat the living tribunal, not really anyone else who comes close. Later, the two merge into one single Cosmic Cube, and it is. 8 ) ^ TIER Super Power Score and Level. Beyonder stomps Whole Touhou fodder verse with a thought,while beyonder has feats and proof of being 1-A(Outversal) not being limited to infinitely high geometric dimensions to the verse itself, there is touhou's verse in which the dimensions have been debunked and do not qualify as superior and the ability of yukari only works on beings of a level below her and does not work on beings of a. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. The Beyonder deafeated Doom-avec-Galactus' power and dissected him. " Do not attempt to upgrade the pre-retcon Beyonder to 1-A, due to two instances in which the Beyond-Realm was described as being beyond time and space of the universe or multiverse. The Pre retcon Beyonder also known as (Original beyonder) is a fictional character in the Marvel Comics universe. 1. Powers are basically the same thing. ProfessorRespect. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. Living Tribunal has been beaten by several characters that are weaker than. ago. As we can recall Pre Retcon Molecule Man was close in range to The Pre-retcon Beyonder, but even still was no match for him. @jashro44. 7 K. The Beyond Realm is a existence that is beyond and older than the current Marvel Omniverse, Originally a realm that was from the Original Beyonder and due to retcons is currently housed by the Omnipotential beings known as The Beyonders. (after experiencing limitation during the Doom comedy in SWI) Genius, in terms of a perfect segue to sell more comics. 6 + (POW + (SPS*SPL))^2 + COM^1. Post-retcon isn’t anywhere near as powerful as Classic (Pre), but he’s still pretty powerful. hÀng nguyÊn bẢn- beyonder pre-retcon; 2. 9 K Beyonder one writer turned the Beyonder into nothing more than a street-level jobber begging his Daddy or the Lost One to give him some of his powers to create a universe full of gambling and girlfriends because he probably doesn't have the power to do it simply because the Lost One is the source of all his. 2nd Retcon - The BEyonder. Well technically Dr. In the comics Homelander’s best objective strength feat is throwing a fighter jet across a room and he doesn’t have anything comparable in the show. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Jul 16, 2022 #2 Pre-retcon Beyonder: Low 1-A cap Perpetua: 1-A cap yeah this is a stomp in Perpetua's favor . Pre-Retcon Beyonder, as powerful as he is, is STILL bound by dimensionality. I can break this down into more detail. Grace ended months ago, but I'm pretty sure Aka's High 1-B key is being downgraded (still high 1-B but much lower on the tier). . And the Ivory Kings are nowhere near Pre Retcon Beyonder's power level. From incredibly superficial research, it's the whole "Shadow/Dark Reflection of God" thing that has been knocking around in DC since the old Swamp Thing days. Some stuff from DC like Lucifer Morningstar. Galactus (when reasonably fed) and the strongest Celestials. Forum Posts. According to that one guy Anos could do it, though I take that with a pinch of salt. Transcendent. 0. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. Beyonder, Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon with minimum effort. the dunamis demiurgos is supposed to be a 1/half copy of the presence's power. Since the Chaos Gods have no way to kill him, he'll eventually win. Location. Beyonder powered spiderman remade creation in like a nanosecond -. George and Jessica vs Gaap and Ronove. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. Forum Posts. Then there is Inhuman/Mutant beyonder who had nothing to do with The beyonders. Wiki Points. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. The Beyonder at his full power pre-retcon is omnipotent. This thread is archived. Some stuff from DC like Lucifer Morningstar. Pre-Retcon Beyonders was described to be like a child compared to the Beyonders we are seeing now. And those mirrors were so fucking weak, that a bunch of low tier demons were already destroying them. He could possibly neutralise Doc and Sun with science alone but the others are true top-end with actual god tier powers. Death from what I remember had no power of Lucifer, only Destiny did - so I think it's safe to assume she scales below him. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. Pre-retcon Beyonder, ect. bonus: lỊch sỬ cÁc lẦn retcon cỦa beyonder – kẺ sỞ hỮu nhỮng feat bÁ ĐẠo nhẤt lỊch sỬ marvel comic. Death only dealt with Dream so casually because of how the concepts they embody interact with each other. ago. Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him, tailor. Immersion: Beyonder (Pre/Post-Retcon), GoS Loki, HOI Vision, The One Above All and Multi Eternity via Eternity Mask, Deadpool with the Continuity Gem and She-Hulk (Classics); formerly Plot Resistance: The Beyonders (Ivory King), Beyonder (Post-Retcon); scaling from the other beyonders and GoS Loki Toon Force: She-Hulk. That being said, Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the HIGHEST tier character Marvel ever had. LT literally held the entirety of Marvel and DC universe in the palm of. Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. The only known beings who are above them are Lucifer, Michael and The Presence. The 2nd Existential Seed said: Beyonder is either one of two things: Millions times stronger then Eternity, or millions times more powerful than LT + ( Even though I believe the first ) . Thanos w/ Astral Regulator is the strongest character in Marvel-verse. 0. He would also be the main villain in. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher--even above TOAA, (including Elaine Belloc AKA the Presence) and that's “being millions and millions of times more powerful than Marvel". Molecule Man utterly in fear admitted that Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) is on levels unimaginable to him and self-stated that he cant Match Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) in power meaning that Beyonder was infinitely more powerful than him even when he was above all the powers of the cosmic hierarchy (Including: The Living Tribunal himself). @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Pre retcon MM scared the cosmics of the 80s even as groups, they had to just let him pass by out of fear, even beg him to fight Beyonder. THe nature and effects of the Retcon are irrelevant. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. Cosmic. Lucifer Morningstar at his strongest is Oblivion-tier. I agree with his tier, but one thing I don't understand is how is beyonder above Oblivion when he is just above existene while Oblivion is not part of. Rune King Thor can still lose to the Abstract beings such as Eternity and Infinity. Lucifer is definitely Pre-Retcon Beyonder tier while the Living Tribunal has become a jobber these past few years. #15 Azronger. Didn't Comic God of Stories affected Pre-Retcon Beyonder? 7 days ago. Jump Force Goku view all Shonen as fiction how will Pre Retcon Beyonder will win. Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Respect Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Scarlet King (SCP). Forum Posts. Well, they are treated as the same character, the Beyonder who showed up post-retcon is, canonically, the same Beyonder who showed up pre-Retcon. Teams that give him a good enough fight to make him respect them he lets live. Name: Lucifer Morningstar Origin: DC Comics Classification: Angel Gender: Male Age: 10,000,000,000+ Years old Strength Lifting: Speed: Nigh-Omnipresence Striking Speed: Striking Strength: Durability: Intelligence: Nigh-Omniscience Range: Multiverse+ Level Destructive capacity. 2. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. e. His powers exceeded that of even abstract entities present in infinite realms, coupled with the LT who holds authority over said entities to the point where their powers are a drop in the ocean to him. I know someone think that Victor means Cosmic cube not Beyonder pre-retcon ,but I think it's Beyonder pre-retcon. 13 years ago@TheLegendary32 said:. Named but mid-level Celestials. Molecule man, PR beyonder, post retcon beyonders, oblivion, one below all and many many more. Who can beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder? 7. Thus, Bill, in theory, could do something that the Beyonder never. Dimensional Tiering. But it wont be easy by no means. 6,016 2,373. Rememeber he is a CONCEPT who wields power enough for him to create and destroy 60 billion. Any of the Smash gods could do it, and so would the beings above. The Beyonder(Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. PR Beyonder was able to erase LT with a wave of his hand. And a similar amount more powerful than everything in the MU combined. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. SWI is still the best selling series. The First and Second Retcon Beyonder are not above The LIving Tribunal. Yes I'am aware of that but you to remeber that with the Inhuman Beyonder was that this retcon took him back to his Pre-Retcon roots and also everything Pre-Retcon Beyonder did is still cannon to. It depends which version of Molecule Man, Pre-Retcon Molecule Man will win against Dr. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. Jan 22, 2018; Thread starter #2 bump . However, that scan of her being able to have an effect on PR Beyonder was pretty badass. Yujiro defeated a big elephant that even 3 military cars with 5 black guys couldn't stop. Ashley. which allows michael to ignore boundless narrative hierarchy and can create the concept to make new ones over and. Doom absorbed the power of Galactus to unlock more of MM's power and MM eventually needed everyone's help (especially Silver Surfer) to defeat the Beyonder. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is probably here as well. My favourite Marvel tier 1 vs. City. the Source blinks Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Lucifer stomps. CryptoName Owen Reece, Molecule Man Origin Marvel Tier: 1-B Gender: Male Classification: Mutant Age: Unknown Abilites and Powers: Matter Manipulation, Reality Warping, Space-Time Manipulation, Transmutation, Probability Manipulation, Molecular Manipulation Weaknesses: a non stable mind Destructive Capacity: Beyond Multiversal ( was able to. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. He needed to use his entire power to kill mistress death which left him drained . Pre recton beyonder is one of the most over wanked marvel characters . Even if it wasn't I'm pretty sure this wasn't added due to being a stomp. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are all after the retcon. I can break this down into more detail. Beyonder 73%. There is nothing he can do to hurt him while Beyonder can snap his finger and destroy Flash and the universe. Dude’s absolutely broken. Only if the Beyonder is in his realm, but that becomes a major stomp based on whats said here. beyonder post-retcon i (aka beyonder cosmic cube) 3. Victini could arguably do it if you allow Pokedex entries. 8 ) ^ TIER Super Power Score and Level. Note these are just tier names they have no real meaning here to go into a tier you have to look at all stats and feats and who you can consistently hang with----- True God. True form DS power is unknown. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is. Yeah true. even characters like Doctor Doom, Spider-man were on God Tier using PRB Power. Gender: Inapplicable. Lucifer Morningstar (DC) Respect Lucifer Morningstar! (DC/Vertigo) I am a bot | About | Code | Opt-out | Missing or wrong characters? Reply explaining the issue. Even if we insanely highball Spectre to be equal to the Living Tribunal (which, as powerful as he is, he clearly is. Ah I see so when people say flash is OP what they mean is OP with respect to most commonly cited superheroes/villains. 0. Didn't Comic God of Stories affected Pre-Retcon Beyonder? 12 days ago. He was basically like if God tried to create a champion capable of doing just about everything that. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. MayGodSmiteThee • 2 yr. If someone can actually name a more. The only other non-Omnipotent characters in Marvel who might even rival a bloodlusted pre-Retcon Beyonder for one are. Inhuman Mutant beyonder probably pretty sure it was his powers in spidey that let him remake all creation in a fraction of a second. He grew into a weak-willed adult, made bitter and lonely by his mother's death, and full of fear and hatred of what he regarded as a deeply unfriendly world. DC's cosmology is bigger than current Marvel's (due to the absolutely ungodly nerfs), but it's definitely not larger than Classic Marvel, where PRB hails from. All reality was a dream created by Beyonder. the other is a High Tier Reality Warper with disgusting hax also. Rules: All tier zero characters from marvel are removed. here is a fight that involves. akuto fictionally transcends an uncountably infinite layered hierarchy of characters who are above the concepts of space & time and/or platonic forms in nature which also contains all possibilities & impossibilities, & each tier in the hierarchy fictionally transcends the one below it, making even the lowest characters in the hierarchy very high into high. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. Phoenix attacks Beyonder with all her power, Beyonder don't even flinch. Beyonder even realized he was the Pre-Retcon one too lol. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. Within the beyond realm, he's supposed to be omnipresent. The Presence vs. • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within his realm. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. The energy breached into reality during the accident that gave Owen his powers, but as there was no container, a large part of such energy wandered off into another universe, creating the Beyonder. 1 of 2 Go to page. Manhattan is super strong. Yeah,it’s been retconned . Beyonder pre retcon up to 1A and possible H1A Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. CsmicRanker1314 1. Member. I/O has a low-tier character that is on the level of Pre-Retcon Beyonder and everyone, as in literally EVERYONE, even the. I realize that this doesn't exactly answer your question. 3 years ago. Beyonder is strong but not that strong. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. ago. Superhero Battle match: Beyonder versus Multi-Oblivion & Oblivion (Pre-Retcon). People already think Pre-Retcon Beyonder is around the One Above All (directly below, equal, or above), so this new big bad is gonna be busted in a confusing way, since a fraction of his is power. Pretty sure he can't do shit to The Presence lol & there's also Lucy & Michael there. pre retcon beyonder is supposed to be above the living tribunal ( LT couldn't defeat him so he asked for MM's help) 11 years ago. - featherin vs Lamdadelta (not an actual battle, featherin smashed/trashed Lamda with no actual effort) 3. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. Using the Pre-Retcon Beyonder here is just severe overkill. Manhattan. Supposedly it is equal but opposite to the Presence. The PR Beyonder was defined as a multiverse composed of literally everything outside of that, and that existence shared a single consciousness. . Just because that occurred, does not mean Pre-Retcon Beyonder's "im ominoptent" statement holds any weight. beyonder post-retcon ii (aka beyonder-inhuman-mutant) 4. Phoenix in the new defenders will fight against Ômega Beyonder who are most powerful than pré-retcon Beyonder) 10 True Form Oblivion {See all Creation and Cosmos like a infinitesimal to him, he is the outside of Cosmos, The Previour outside are below than far shore, but the. He’s high tier Outerversal. Mephisto said that The Beyonder could make idlest imaginings a reality with a wave of his hand, turning all of existence inside out), Vibration Manipulation (Created an earthquake throughout the city), Attack Reflection (Deflected Magneto's power beam towards the X-Men), Magnetism Manipulation (Repelled Magneto by duplicating his own. Dreamxd26 • 2 yr. Beyonder wins with high difficulty . Conditions of the battle: *Composite Time Lords will include variants of the Time Lords from the Expanded Doctor Who Universe (e. That’s how many drops of water there are in the ocean and marvel was only 1 drop compared to the beyonders power. I am still wondering, the summary clearly says Racher Summers could beat the Beyonder if she absorbed all life force. That being said, I’m going to give this one to the pre-retcon Beyonder. Xeranthemum from Suggsverse, at least going by the wiki. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins fairly convincingly. Fight takes place in an infinite dimension. Alien X is free of any indecisiveness, and both are bloodlusted. Beyonders too has proven in little EXP because h e has lost his power on various occasions and despite claiming to be omniscient, but in practice had to learn everything by experience. Pre retcon beyonder was the closest to TOAA I think any being has come to. Seriously at his peak height, Pre Retcon Beyonder was something that no current DC character could handle. True Darkseid might actually have a chance though. Follow 12333. @divinemaster: seeing no one is making an argument For Pre Retcon Beyonder, i will play the devil's advocate. If i had to lowkey choose one blindly, i'd go with PRB. 1. The Chaos gods are tough to kill as they are powered by and represent concepts. . 140. If someone can actually name a more. Strength.